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	<description>An amateur's outlook on computation and mathematics.</description>
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		<title>By: Nilanka</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Nilanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

It was a nice writing you have done and there are a few factors that you have overlooked. You say "Some of my comment spammers would surely have interesting ideas to contribute if only they had the luxury of time." but the reality is quite different than that. The correct one should be "Some of my comment spammers would surely have interesting ideas to contribute if only they had the luxury of MONEY."

Some years ago, I was a paid "spammer" where I had to post comments that are relevant to the article with some back-link. The article should relevant to the website of the URL, so the URL's lead generation would boost. For people who hire others for such activity paid about $20 for about 100+ comment posts. Do you know how much is $20 for a person who is living in a country where GDP (per capita) is below $400? This is the lower end of the spam comment machine. Just the execution front.

I myself love mathematics and I believe forums like these should be free of spamming and it is an unethical thing to do. But this is how Internet works. And I really appreciate the attitude of the others who have commented, as they focus on getting rid of spamming, rather than accusing the person who physically posts it. SEO has injected a lot of bad things to web, and many good things too!

Anyways, this is a nice forum for mathematics.</description>
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<p>It was a nice writing you have done and there are a few factors that you have overlooked. You say &#8220;Some of my comment spammers would surely have interesting ideas to contribute if only they had the luxury of time.&#8221; but the reality is quite different than that. The correct one should be &#8220;Some of my comment spammers would surely have interesting ideas to contribute if only they had the luxury of MONEY.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some years ago, I was a paid &#8220;spammer&#8221; where I had to post comments that are relevant to the article with some back-link. The article should relevant to the website of the URL, so the URL&#8217;s lead generation would boost. For people who hire others for such activity paid about $20 for about 100+ comment posts. Do you know how much is $20 for a person who is living in a country where GDP (per capita) is below $400? This is the lower end of the spam comment machine. Just the execution front.</p>
<p>I myself love mathematics and I believe forums like these should be free of spamming and it is an unethical thing to do. But this is how Internet works. And I really appreciate the attitude of the others who have commented, as they focus on getting rid of spamming, rather than accusing the person who physically posts it. SEO has injected a lot of bad things to web, and many good things too!</p>
<p>Anyways, this is a nice forum for mathematics.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Smit</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Smit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howabout before moderation, the links are unclickable, so a reader would have to use copy-and-paste (moderators, of course, have click-ability)

After moderation, the links become clickable.  The longer the lead time on moderation ...

about that spam screening, was the sequins in carrots ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howabout before moderation, the links are unclickable, so a reader would have to use copy-and-paste (moderators, of course, have click-ability)</p>
<p>After moderation, the links become clickable.  The longer the lead time on moderation &#8230;</p>
<p>about that spam screening, was the sequins in carrots ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ignacio Segura</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2611</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignacio Segura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic. I just put to work an experimental technique to control the automated SPAM I was starting to defeat, but clearly I'm not ready to defeat human SPAMers. Dude, I can't imagine anything more boring than working as SPAMer!

Anyway, I don't want to be a SPAMer myself, but opinions on my SPAM control technique are very welcome.

http://www.isegura.es/blog/stop-spam-your-site-being-invisible-honeytrap-drupal-comments-form

I just really want to find a SPAM control techique that works without causing much inconvenience to me or the good users. I find CAPTCHA a bit annoying, so I  tried other solutions. Opinions welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic. I just put to work an experimental technique to control the automated SPAM I was starting to defeat, but clearly I&#8217;m not ready to defeat human SPAMers. Dude, I can&#8217;t imagine anything more boring than working as SPAMer!</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t want to be a SPAMer myself, but opinions on my SPAM control technique are very welcome.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.isegura.es/blog/stop-spam-your-site-being-invisible-honeytrap-drupal-comments-form" rel="nofollow">http://www.isegura.es/blog/stop-spam-your-site-being-invisible-honeytrap-drupal-comments-form</a></p>
<p>I just really want to find a SPAM control techique that works without causing much inconvenience to me or the good users. I find CAPTCHA a bit annoying, so I  tried other solutions. Opinions welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: SundaraRaman</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2341</link>
		<dc:creator>SundaraRaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd agree with unekdoud - disabling direct links, and instead allowing links within the comment text would be a good idea, if your aim is to allow links to some relevant material alone. 

On the other hand, if you are concerned about allowing other people to 'link back' to themselves and form a network of sorts, URL filtering is probably the way to go (depending on how much of a pattern they have).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with unekdoud - disabling direct links, and instead allowing links within the comment text would be a good idea, if your aim is to allow links to some relevant material alone. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if you are concerned about allowing other people to &#8216;link back&#8217; to themselves and form a network of sorts, URL filtering is probably the way to go (depending on how much of a pattern they have).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Slater</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are using WordPress blogging software (which I am happy with) the 'akismet' spam filtering add-on works very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are using WordPress blogging software (which I am happy with) the &#8216;akismet&#8217; spam filtering add-on works very well.</p>
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		<title>By: baoilleach</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2282</link>
		<dc:creator>baoilleach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On blogger, there is an option to moderate only comments on blog posts more than 2 weeks old. I find this is a good compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On blogger, there is an option to moderate only comments on blog posts more than 2 weeks old. I find this is a good compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Unblogged Bits for Saturday, 07 November 2009 &#124; ***Dave Does the Blog</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2280</link>
		<dc:creator>Unblogged Bits for Saturday, 07 November 2009 &#124; ***Dave Does the Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A comment on comment spam &#8211; I agree it&#8217;s sometimes a narrow call as to whether to accept or label as spam some of the comments I see. What they link back to is often the deciding factor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A comment on comment spam &#8211; I agree it&#8217;s sometimes a narrow call as to whether to accept or label as spam some of the comments I see. What they link back to is often the deciding factor. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: unekdoud</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2279</link>
		<dc:creator>unekdoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it hurts that much to disable links. People can still copy and paste the URL for just a few seconds more. In that case, going one step further and creating a whitelist of link domains would be better.

I don't think it makes sense to close comments on the older posts. Maybe just withholding those comments or allowing comments by email would work.

Also, a heuristic approach to blocking links might be used, where the occurrence of certain terms is used to determine whether a link is likely to be spam/undesirable.

There is also a possibility of hiding dubiously spammy comments like Youtube does, or moving them elsewhere. Of course, all this would depend in the blog technology, but it isn't impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it hurts that much to disable links. People can still copy and paste the URL for just a few seconds more. In that case, going one step further and creating a whitelist of link domains would be better.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it makes sense to close comments on the older posts. Maybe just withholding those comments or allowing comments by email would work.</p>
<p>Also, a heuristic approach to blocking links might be used, where the occurrence of certain terms is used to determine whether a link is likely to be spam/undesirable.</p>
<p>There is also a possibility of hiding dubiously spammy comments like Youtube does, or moving them elsewhere. Of course, all this would depend in the blog technology, but it isn&#8217;t impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: unekdoud</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2278</link>
		<dc:creator>unekdoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it hurts that much to disable links. People can still copy and paste the URL for just a few seconds more. In that case, going one step further and creating a whitelist of link domains would be better.

I don't think it makes sense to close comments on the older posts. Maybe just withholding those comments or allowing comments by email would work.

Also, a heuristic approach to blocking links might be used, where the occurrence of certain terms is used to determine whether a link is likely to be spam/undesirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it hurts that much to disable links. People can still copy and paste the URL for just a few seconds more. In that case, going one step further and creating a whitelist of link domains would be better.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it makes sense to close comments on the older posts. Maybe just withholding those comments or allowing comments by email would work.</p>
<p>Also, a heuristic approach to blocking links might be used, where the occurrence of certain terms is used to determine whether a link is likely to be spam/undesirable.</p>
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		<title>By: bit-player » Blog Archive » A comment on comment spam Scripts Rss</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2276</link>
		<dc:creator>bit-player » Blog Archive » A comment on comment spam Scripts Rss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted here:  bit-player » Blog Archive » A comment on comment spam          By admin &#124; category: perl scripts &#124; tags: being-paid, general-public, gnu, humanity, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted here:  bit-player » Blog Archive » A comment on comment spam          By admin | category: perl scripts | tags: being-paid, general-public, gnu, humanity, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Terror</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2275</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys should learn what it's like on the dark side.

People regularly pay $100-$300 for a link from an old site that's established:  those are typically 'good' links,   but crummy links from blogs and forums are worth at least a buck.

See

http://slightlyshadyseo.com/ and http://bluehatseo.com/ to learn about cutting edge techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys should learn what it&#8217;s like on the dark side.</p>
<p>People regularly pay $100-$300 for a link from an old site that&#8217;s established:  those are typically &#8216;good&#8217; links,   but crummy links from blogs and forums are worth at least a buck.</p>
<p>See</p>
<p><a href="http://slightlyshadyseo.com/" rel="nofollow">http://slightlyshadyseo.com/</a> and <a href="http://bluehatseo.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bluehatseo.com/</a> to learn about cutting edge techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Joao</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>Joao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first I hear about the issue of spam commenting (yes... I must be new in the intertubes...), but I wonder how certain one can be that all comments that bear an ad link are spam. 

Forgive my technological ignorance, but how hard it would be for the baddies to create malware that would add such links to all posts originated from the infected computer? Maybe simply by automatically filling this Homepage URL box that was offered to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first I hear about the issue of spam commenting (yes&#8230; I must be new in the intertubes&#8230;), but I wonder how certain one can be that all comments that bear an ad link are spam. </p>
<p>Forgive my technological ignorance, but how hard it would be for the baddies to create malware that would add such links to all posts originated from the infected computer? Maybe simply by automatically filling this Homepage URL box that was offered to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2273</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I would go further -- don't analyze the URL, but download the page at that URL and analyze it.  It's easy for a spammer to disguise their payload in an innocuous-looking comment, but I imagine it would be more difficult to obfuscate the destination of that payload if they want it to generate any revenue when visited.

Another approach would be to analyze the universe of legitimate links in the history of comments on this blog, and try to find a pattern in &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt;.  If such a pattern existed, you could have a whitelist-style filter that would only let through some comment links.

A third option would be to make the spam screening question much harder.  At least that way, your low-paid spammers would be furthering their mathematical education...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I would go further &#8212; don&#8217;t analyze the URL, but download the page at that URL and analyze it.  It&#8217;s easy for a spammer to disguise their payload in an innocuous-looking comment, but I imagine it would be more difficult to obfuscate the destination of that payload if they want it to generate any revenue when visited.</p>
<p>Another approach would be to analyze the universe of legitimate links in the history of comments on this blog, and try to find a pattern in <em>those</em>.  If such a pattern existed, you could have a whitelist-style filter that would only let through some comment links.</p>
<p>A third option would be to make the spam screening question much harder.  At least that way, your low-paid spammers would be furthering their mathematical education&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Snyder</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not analyze the link urls from comments and see if there is any pattern?  You might be able to automatically filter the comments based on the url of the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not analyze the link urls from comments and see if there is any pattern?  You might be able to automatically filter the comments based on the url of the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Trick&#8217;s Operations Research Blog : Comment Spam</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/a-comment-on-comment-spam#comment-2271</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Trick&#8217;s Operations Research Blog : Comment Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] computing science column and author of the bit-player blog, has a very nice article on issues with spam in the comments of his blog.  My blog is nowhere near as popular as Brian&#8217;s, but I too attract a reasonable [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] computing science column and author of the bit-player blog, has a very nice article on issues with spam in the comments of his blog.  My blog is nowhere near as popular as Brian&#8217;s, but I too attract a reasonable [...]</p>
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