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	<title>Comments on: Postage due</title>
	<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due</link>
	<description>An amateur's outlook on computation and mathematics.</description>
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: kevin</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1501</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why not have a system where you have a prepay card, filled with money that is scanned after the post office determines the weight, and the card money (&quot;postage&quot;) is sent directly to a postage tax account for the government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why not have a system where you have a prepay card, filled with money that is scanned after the post office determines the weight, and the card money (&#8221;postage&#8221;) is sent directly to a postage tax account for the government?
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1455</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1455</guid>
					<description>Brilliant.  Except that you'll never be able to send a letter from the comfort of your own home, except after buying a $5.00 mail scale.

The advantage of the current system is that you can guess the weight in your hand, and usually can intuit how much postage to put on your envelope. (But not at the thresholds -- which is what happened to me this lazy Saturday morning -- forcing me to put double postage on an envelope &quot;just to be safe.&quot;)

Two inconveniences arise from pricing postage as a function of weight:  we're penalized for a tiny increase in weight, and we're generally inconvenienced for having to weigh our mail before putting on postage. Okay, you avoid the former by making postage a continuous function of weight, but that increases the latter inconvenience.

But we can entirely avoid the latter by adding this optional element:  Anyone can open an account with USPS and order personalized stamps with bar codes on them.  (As before, we buy stamps from the post office with our credit card ... but the credit card accesses our account).  We slap exactly one onto each letter, regardless of the weight of the letter, and let USPS weigh our letters and charge our accounts. (They have to weigh every letter under any system, anyways.)

Make the bar codes invisible except under ultra-violet, to reduce fraud.  And we get emailed a statement at the end of the month with a record of our account activity.

Problems: it really has to be optional, for obvious reasons.  Maybe we can have all these systems concurrently, including the current system, and let people choose based on convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brilliant.  Except that you&#8217;ll never be able to send a letter from the comfort of your own home, except after buying a $5.00 mail scale.</p>
	<p>The advantage of the current system is that you can guess the weight in your hand, and usually can intuit how much postage to put on your envelope. (But not at the thresholds &#8212; which is what happened to me this lazy Saturday morning &#8212; forcing me to put double postage on an envelope &#8220;just to be safe.&#8221;)</p>
	<p>Two inconveniences arise from pricing postage as a function of weight:  we&#8217;re penalized for a tiny increase in weight, and we&#8217;re generally inconvenienced for having to weigh our mail before putting on postage. Okay, you avoid the former by making postage a continuous function of weight, but that increases the latter inconvenience.</p>
	<p>But we can entirely avoid the latter by adding this optional element:  Anyone can open an account with USPS and order personalized stamps with bar codes on them.  (As before, we buy stamps from the post office with our credit card &#8230; but the credit card accesses our account).  We slap exactly one onto each letter, regardless of the weight of the letter, and let USPS weigh our letters and charge our accounts. (They have to weigh every letter under any system, anyways.)</p>
	<p>Make the bar codes invisible except under ultra-violet, to reduce fraud.  And we get emailed a statement at the end of the month with a record of our account activity.</p>
	<p>Problems: it really has to be optional, for obvious reasons.  Maybe we can have all these systems concurrently, including the current system, and let people choose based on convenience.
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: Octal</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1431</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1431</guid>
					<description>I think nutbearer's idea is on the money.  And as long as the postage tape is uniform density and width, it's a simple matter to calculate how much tape is on it, subtract that from the total weight, and see whether the postage is correct.  It could even be printed with some kind of pattern (I'm thinking just dots) that could be scanned--1257 dots?  That's 4.3 grams.

Also!  I'd like to point out that in your scenario, it wouldn't &lt;i&gt;matter&lt;/i&gt; if the postage rates keep rising: &lt;i&gt;r&lt;/i&gt; represents the fraction of the weight of the package that must be postage.  So the solution is simple: just make the &quot;postage tape&quot; more expensive, and r can remain constant and the sum remains small.  They could change the color or something when the rate was changed.

PS: I think that's the best spam screener I've ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think nutbearer&#8217;s idea is on the money.  And as long as the postage tape is uniform density and width, it&#8217;s a simple matter to calculate how much tape is on it, subtract that from the total weight, and see whether the postage is correct.  It could even be printed with some kind of pattern (I&#8217;m thinking just dots) that could be scanned&#8211;1257 dots?  That&#8217;s 4.3 grams.</p>
	<p>Also!  I&#8217;d like to point out that in your scenario, it wouldn&#8217;t <i>matter</i> if the postage rates keep rising: <i>r</i> represents the fraction of the weight of the package that must be postage.  So the solution is simple: just make the &#8220;postage tape&#8221; more expensive, and r can remain constant and the sum remains small.  They could change the color or something when the rate was changed.</p>
	<p>PS: I think that&#8217;s the best spam screener I&#8217;ve ever seen.
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: nutbearer</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1427</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1427</guid>
					<description>Good stuff.

People have trouble grasping dimensionless quantities though. You can be sure that if your scheme were implemented there'd be a name for the unit, although the name would just be an alias for &quot;1&quot;!

Also, the whole infinite series thing can be short-circuited by specifying the ratio of stamp weight to original package weight. You'd first weigh it, multiply by the postage rate, and cut out that quantity of tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good stuff.</p>
	<p>People have trouble grasping dimensionless quantities though. You can be sure that if your scheme were implemented there&#8217;d be a name for the unit, although the name would just be an alias for &#8220;1&#8243;!</p>
	<p>Also, the whole infinite series thing can be short-circuited by specifying the ratio of stamp weight to original package weight. You&#8217;d first weigh it, multiply by the postage rate, and cut out that quantity of tape.
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: Seb</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1426</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1426</guid>
					<description>Nice solution. Actually, there is no need for the rate r to ever increase beyond 1 since the sum gets arbitrarily large as r tends to 1.  Sleep tight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice solution. Actually, there is no need for the rate r to ever increase beyond 1 since the sum gets arbitrarily large as r tends to 1.  Sleep tight!
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: brian</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1425</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1425</guid>
					<description>Indeed. They also have to solve an inverse problem just to work how how much postage &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be on the letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Indeed. They also have to solve an inverse problem just to work how how much postage <em>should</em> be on the letter.
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 		<title>Comment on Postage due by: Barry Cipra</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1424</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bit-player.org/2007/postage-due#comment-1424</guid>
					<description>&quot;Better still, instead of measuring postage by the area of the stamp, we can measure it by the weight of the stampage stuff.&quot;

But how can the post office tell that the right weight has been affixed, except by measuring the area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Better still, instead of measuring postage by the area of the stamp, we can measure it by the weight of the stampage stuff.&#8221;</p>
	<p>But how can the post office tell that the right weight has been affixed, except by measuring the area?
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